1855: more evidence that an appeal to Bernard Michel is effective

France2 declares 1855 an 'arnaque'

This message from AB is further evidence that contacting Bernard Michel of the BIEV is an effective way of squeezing refunds out of the 'fraudulent' 1855 group: 

'Hi Jim,

I wanted to let you know that, on your recommendation, I wrote to Bernard Michel. He answered immediately, suggesting different issues, among them that 1855 could reimburse the wines, and copied 1855 at the same time.

They then answered the following day, saying that I would be reimbursed, and I got my money back (without interests of course, but it was more than 5000 €…). They say that they can ship Margaux 07, and I am waiting this.

This puts an end to this sad saga. It also clearly shows that they had not bought the wines “en primeur” (even the wines they were supposed to “hold” in their cellars on my behalf) and that they have cheated their clients on a very big scale. I wonder how they could pretend to organise a shipping “in the next few weeks” as they wrote repeatedly, as they had to get the wines at market prices far superior to the “primeur” prices…

Obviously, I will never – never order again anything at 1855.

Many thanks for your help!!!

Best regards

AB

Contact details for Bernard Michel: bernard.michel@direccte.gouv.fr téléphone 01.70.96.16.14

Unlike 1855, 1856 is a wine that delivers!

Château de l'Aulée in the appellation of Touraine Azay-le-Rideau specialises in sparkling wine. Their top Crémant de Loire is 1856 – their top cuvée to mark the creation of the estate in 1856. This full, creamy sparkling wine was first made in 2006. Pure Chenin Blanc it is vinified and aged in wood for two years before spending at least 30 months sur latte. It is excellent value at 8/9 € a bottle from the estate, so not everything from the 1850s is unreliable! Just don't order it from 1855 or Cave Privée! 

Stepping back a year, the antics of the 1855 'management' – Fabien Hyon is the CEO – over Cave Privée continue to astound on this thread on La Passion du Vin. Fortunately Mr Bernard Michel de la BIEV continues to squeeze Fabien Hyon where it hurts, so that he coughs up cheques to reimburse clients for wines that are never delivered. 

A week ago I had an interesting conversation with Jacky Blot (Domaine de la Taille aux Loups in Montlouis) who told me that they don't supply Cave Privée, which hasn't stopped the company listing them. Jacky said that they get frequent enquiries from clients of Cave Privée wondering what has happened to their wines. 

Shares in 1855 continue to limp along at between 0.03€ and 0.04€ a share.  

1855 called an arnaque by France2

1855: BIEV pressure growing on Fabien Hyon over Cave Privée

Charles Ponzi writing cheques 

A few interesting posts on the Cave Privée thread yesterday once more signalling the very welcome intervention of Bernard Michel of the Brigade Interrégionale d'Enquête Vins et Spiritueux (BIEV).

'Tank' had ordered wines through Cave Privée, which had not been delivered, so he had asked for a refund. With no sign of the cheque he contacted Bernard Michel, who almost immediately sent the following message to Fabien Hyon, managing director of 1855 and its associated companies ChateauOnline and Cave Privée.

Message from Bernard Michel:

'Monsieur Hyon

Dans le cadre de nos pouvoirs et en vertu du code de la consommation et de son article L. 121-20-3 qui précise à l'alinéa 2 que "en cas de défaut d'exécution du contrat (de vente à distance) par un fournisseur résultant de l'indisponibilité du bien ou du service commandé, le consommateur doit être informé de cette indisponibilité et doit, le cas échéant, pouvoir être remboursé sans délai et au plus tard dans les trente jours du paiement des sommes qu'il a versées", je viendrai vérifier vendredi matin 20 juillet 2012 en vos bureaux que le remboursement demandé par l'intéressé a été effectué.

Salutations distinguées

Bernard MICHEL'

The threat that Bernard Michel would again be visiting the offices of Cave Privée brought a rapid response from the company: 

Bonjour,

Votre chèque de remboursement vous a été envoyé ce jour.

Restant à votre disposition,

Cordialement,

Translation: 'The cheque is in the post.' On this occasion I think we can assume that the cheque really is on its way and is not yet another unfulfilled promise from 1855 and its associated companies.

I suggest that other customers of 1855, Cave Privée and ChateauOnline having problems with obtaining their wine or a refund contact Bernard Michel. 

Address for Bernard Michel and BIEV:

Brigade Interrégionale d'Enquête Vins et Spiritueux (BIEV) 

Direction Régionale des Entreprises, de la Concurrence, de la Consommation, du Travail et de l'Emploi (DIRECCTE)
Ministère de l'économie, des finances et de l'industrie
19, rue Madeleine Vionnet 93300 Aubervilliers
bernard.michel@direccte.gouv.fr
téléphone 01 70 96 16 14'

** 

Another way of getting a refund from 1855: 

A Dutch customer gets his refund:

'1855.com returned my money after I complained to the European Consumers Centre http://www.eccnl.eu/. The Dutch ECC accepted my complaint (+ invoice and mail exchange with 1855)  and transferred it within one working day to the France ECC department who took the case. I sent 1855 a mail telling them what I was doing. 1855 responded very quickly  with promising my wine delivery and my respond was that I was not interested in their promises. They could either return my money or send me my wine now. I received the money within 4 working days.

Thanks for your help and maybe this helps more of your readers.'

La Fevad: 1  1855: 0 ?

1855 would appear to be no longer a member of La Fevad. The company does not appear on the membership list. 1855 joined La Fevad as a probationary member in January 2011. It would appear that they have not passed their probation.  

Is the French squad starting to finger Fabien Hyon's collar?

10 Rue des Moulins, Paris – offices of 1855

Interesting post here yesterday on La Passion du Vin on the Cave Privée thread by Daniel Popp, who published an email sent to Fabien Hyon in his role as person in charge of Cave Privée by Bernard Michel of the Brigade Interrégionale d'Enquête Vins et Spiritueux (BIEV). Bernard Michel mentions an investigation and a meeting at the offices of Cave Privée with Fabien Hyon – 'Faisant suite à notre enquête et à notre réunion au siège de Cave Privée à Paris':   

'Original Message -----
From: MICHEL Bernard (DR-IDF)
To: fabien@caveprivee.com
Cc: laura@caveprivee.com ; danielpopp ; katiuscia@caveprivee.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: CAVE PRIVEE. Daniel Popp


Monsieur Hyon

Faisant suite à notre enquête et à notre réunion au siège de Cave Privée à Paris, je vous demande de communiquer enfin une date de livraison pour les vins commandés par M. Daniel Popp et de proposer en parallèle le remboursement de ces vins comme le prévoit le code de la consommation à l'article L. 121-20-3 qui précise à l'alinéa 2 que "en cas de défaut d'exécution du contrat (de vente à distance) par un fournisseur résultant de l'indisponibilité du bien ou du service commandé, le consommateur doit être informé de cette indisponibilité et doit, le cas échéant, pouvoir être remboursé sans délai et au plus tard dans les trente jours du paiement des sommes qu'il a versées. Au-delà de ce terme, ces sommes sont productives d'intérêts au taux légal".

Cela permettra au plaignant de choisir l'option qui lui convient.

Salutations distinguées

Bernard MICHEL

Brigade Interrégionale d'Enquête Vins et Spiritueux (BIEV)
Direction Régionale des Entreprises, de la Concurrence, de la Consommation, du Travail et de l'Emploi (DIRECCTE)
Ministère de l'économie, des finances et de l'industrie
19, rue Madeleine Vionnet 93300 Aubervilliers
bernard.michel@direccte.gouv.fr
téléphone 01 70 96 16 14'

http://lapassionduvin.com/phorum/read.php?18,179053,page=148

Good to see Bernard Michel of the BIEV taking a close interest in Daniel Popp's undelivered wine. If M. Michel decides to take an interest in all customers' outstanding orders for the 1855 group – 1855, Chateauonline and Cave Privée – Fabien Hyon and Emeric Sauty de Chalon had better provide M. Michel with a desk as he will be spending a lot of time with them!

**

1855's share price continues to look sickly with the price oscillating between 0.03€ and 0.04€. Although the shares finished at 0.04€, most of the transactions by value were at 0.03€. See table: