tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post6071469116613139752..comments2023-12-18T15:03:52.326+00:00Comments on Jim's Loire: Affaire Blot/Chidaine: did Vouvray and the INAO exceed their legal powers?CRMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12356808627188214016noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-45535023167407311212015-10-03T12:05:38.996+01:002015-10-03T12:05:38.996+01:00Cathy. Many thanks. Two points: in September 1999 ...Cathy. Many thanks. Two points: in September 1999 the INAO gave Jacky. Blot unlimited permission to vinify his Vouvray in the commune of Montlouis. Secondly the EU legislation allows wine to be vinified in neighbouring communes. Philippe Brisbarre told me that the problem is that the Loire is a barrier. Although physically this is correct, administratively this is not the case as the boundaries of both Vouvray and Vernou traverse the Loire.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-2161651583357978332015-10-03T09:23:06.744+01:002015-10-03T09:23:06.744+01:00We were talking to Vincent Careme a couple of week...We were talking to Vincent Careme a couple of weeks ago about this and he said that there was no change to the legislation in 2009 - that it had always been within the cahier des charges right from the beginning (that vinification had to be within the geographic zone). The problem was (he said), that when the new AOP rules were applied by the EU, the AC's had to be redrawn taking this into account and at that time, no change was made to allow it. Puts a slightly different spin on the affair if this is the case. The situation is a ludicrous one bearing in mind that it's not the case in other AC's.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02579075634695825260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-52861448523963112182015-06-17T01:25:47.620+01:002015-06-17T01:25:47.620+01:00Regarding Luc Charlier's second point, even if...Regarding Luc Charlier's second point, even if they are famous, they are not superstars and for some restaurants having a "Vin de France" at the price of a famous Vouvray makes it harder to sell, so they may remove it from their wine list. Especially outside of France like here in Quebec.Antoine LeBearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-50810517250913742342015-06-16T20:31:22.119+01:002015-06-16T20:31:22.119+01:00Comment by Michel Bettane posted on Les 5 du Vin: ...Comment by Michel Bettane posted on Les 5 du Vin: <br /><br />Great job Jim! Blot and Chidaine for years are making very fine Vouvray wines, very often far better than most made inside the Vouvray area. For the moment I am sure that the decision taken by Brise barre (a very honest guy otherwise and good grower too) is in relationship with the european legislation strictly an abuse, as you clearly demonstrated and can be attacked and will win. The general problem is the relationship between taste and place, what they call « lien au terroir ». Many people are thinking than the « link » is lost when wines are bottled outside. But what is the meaning of outside? What will happen when it will be demonstrated (and my intimate conviction confirmed) that one of the most important features of the taste of any terroir wine is the work of the cellar’s yeasts , as important as the grape’s ones!Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-54372343139268343902015-06-09T10:31:25.694+01:002015-06-09T10:31:25.694+01:00Thank you Luc for your kind comment. I'm afrai...Thank you Luc for your kind comment. I'm afraid I can't answer your first question. A brief look at the AIRE DE PROXIMITÉ IMMÉDIATE in various décrets shows a very wide variation in practice between appellations. Partially I assume this comes from 'traditional practice' which is likely to account for why it is possible to vinify Châteauneuf-du-Pape in Ampuis – 182 kilometres north of Ch9 but where Guigal is based. Savennières also has a large AIRE DE PROXIMITÉ IMMÉDIATE (API). In contrast Vouvray is very restrictive with only part of the commune of Nazelles-Négron considered an API and only for still Vouvray not sparkling. <br /><br />As for your second question I can't think that for famous producers it is a disadvantage people buy the Blot or Chidaine trademark whether it is Vin de France or Vouvray. However, both believe in the notion of terroir and appellation, so prefer to seel their 'Vouvray' wines under said appellation. <br /><br /> Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-78506632308517682112015-06-09T10:10:28.759+01:002015-06-09T10:10:28.759+01:00Jim, you explain (confess?) somewhere you are not ...Jim, you explain (confess?) somewhere you are not a lawyer. Allright, but you are a hell of a journalist. You present us with all the necessary information, and some useful comments too. Thank you. My personal contribution would just ask two questions: 1) why can a "président d'appellation" (and his team) grant a "dérogation" (or several, yes even many) in some regions of France and not in others? <br />2) what disadvantage is there - in the case of FAMOUS winemakers, as is the case here - in "down-grading" one's wine to Vin de France (now allowed to mention the year of the vintage and even the grape variety if so wished)? Luc Charliernoreply@blogger.com