tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post5839363783057313559..comments2023-12-18T15:03:52.326+00:00Comments on Jim's Loire: Jumillagate or more properly Murciagate – some questionsCRMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12356808627188214016noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-90872216035439470932011-12-05T17:58:35.661+00:002011-12-05T17:58:35.661+00:00My experience: Jay Miller came to visit our winery...My experience: Jay Miller came to visit our winery, in Navarra, and we did not pay anything, not an euro. there was also a master class and it was free for every one to assist.irenehttp://www.pagodelarrainzar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-85795962802158915552011-12-02T17:45:39.327+00:002011-12-02T17:45:39.327+00:00I AM SPANIARD AND HEARD NO GOOD THINGS ABOUT PANC...I AM SPANIARD AND HEARD NO GOOD THINGS ABOUT PANCHO CAMPO BUT LOIRE PRODUCERS AND THOSE WHO LOVE LOIRE WINES SHOULD STAR TO SELL THEIR WINES ALL OVER THE WORLD INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW THE WORLD TREAT THEM. IN MY CASE I AM PLEASED THAT LOIRE WINES ARE NOT SO WELL KNOWN SO THAT I CAN ENJOY THEM AT SO REASONABLE PRICES NOTHING TO DO WITH BORDEAUX OR OVERRATED BOURGOGNEjaimenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-51969021812323980912011-11-06T16:16:55.034+00:002011-11-06T16:16:55.034+00:00The dubious methods of Mr. Pancho Campo are by now...The dubious methods of Mr. Pancho Campo are by now well known in the Spanish wine trade. If the Institute of Masters of Wine is serious about its code of conduct and ethical standards, it should launch a serious investigation into Mr. Campo's practices. He is causing great harm to the reputation of the MW title.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-5078126700438000772011-11-03T15:40:58.053+00:002011-11-03T15:40:58.053+00:00Interesting discussion. Since I'm trying to es...Interesting discussion. Since I'm trying to establish myself as a wine writer in Sweden (where the magazines have no cash to fund travel) it is a really good debate to follow. Hoping for more ethical wine writing as a result of it! /EricaEricahttp://twosisterswinetripping.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-27416622534872898402011-11-02T21:48:10.982+00:002011-11-02T21:48:10.982+00:00That's what I'd call explosive stuff. I do...That's what I'd call explosive stuff. I don't see how the protagonists can leave the scene unscathed here....Berthttp://www.wineterroirs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-79475143139901568732011-11-02T16:35:10.874+00:002011-11-02T16:35:10.874+00:00Anon. Thank you for your comment but you make a ve...Anon. Thank you for your comment but you make a very serious allegation about the Institute of Masters of Wine, which I will only consider reinstating if you provide me with credible proof.<br /><br />Edited post: <br /><br />'Well, seem Pancho is back again in business. The man ran out of Emirates with a ton of cash in his pocket and was for a long time in the Interpol site. ...organizing wine events here in Spain (of course, this lectures were very well rewarded. <br /><br />10K€ for a couple of hours work anyone? After becoming MW he has started to organize events in Spain to which he brings Jay Miller's and the like. And there goes another 10K€ bill for the international critic. Finally, the sooner these two disappear from the Spanish wine scene, the better.'Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-21859185812794317942011-11-02T15:15:06.322+00:002011-11-02T15:15:06.322+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-31498516987770122662011-11-01T15:32:39.258+00:002011-11-01T15:32:39.258+00:00Hi Jim,
I just heard last night something simili...Hi Jim, <br /><br />I just heard last night something similiar to this from a winemaker in Mendoza, Argentina. If thios is what The Wine Advocate is doing I will begin to limit the shelf talkers using The Wine Advocate scores. I will relay this to my fellow retailsers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-286609719650803712011-11-01T15:20:48.243+00:002011-11-01T15:20:48.243+00:00Who said this?
“It is imperative for a wine criti...Who said this?<br /><br />“It is imperative for a wine critic to pay his own way. Gratuitous hospitality in the form of airline tickets, hotel rooms, guest houses, etc., should never be accepted either abroad or in this country.” <br />And this: “While it is important to maintain a professional relationship with the trade, I believe the independent stance required of a consumer advocate, often not surprisingly, results in an adversarial relationship with the wine trade. It can be no other way. In order to pursue independence effectively, it is imperative to keep one’s distance from the trade. While this attitude may be interpreted as aloofness, such independence guarantees hard-hitting, candid, and uninfluenced commentary.”<br /><br />Those who find out win a free subscription to the Wine Attorney.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-31114628316609926332011-11-01T14:38:26.258+00:002011-11-01T14:38:26.258+00:00Daniel. I agree. Clearing up this mess is down to ...Daniel. I agree. Clearing up this mess is down to Jay Miller and Robert Parker. Pancho Campo is in the business of promotion whether tennis, rock stars or now stars of the wine firmament. I don't have a problem if he is able to persuade Spanish wine regions and wine companies to pay him substantial fees for his work.<br /><br />The problem is that Jay Miller and Robert Parker have allowed Jay to become very closely associated with Pancho Campo, so that it makes a mockery of the celebrated independence that Robert demands of himself and his team. <br /><br />Not only does this put the independence and reliability of Spanish section of The Wine Advocate into question but begins to beg the question, however unlikely this may be, as to whether there exists similar tariffs for tastings and visits by other members of Team Parker.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-23677673359340822552011-11-01T14:22:11.068+00:002011-11-01T14:22:11.068+00:00This is the same thing that happened in Argentina ...This is the same thing that happened in Argentina with Jay. If wineries did not pay the fees, their wines were not shown. <br /><br />It would not be a big deal, if Robert Parker would just be straight forward about his ethical policies (or lack thereof) at the Wine Advocate.<br /><br />Jay Miller has become quite a nonentity in the retail world because of this nonsense. Parker is not helping the cause.Daniel Posnerhttp://www.winetalk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-18331586516007754402011-11-01T10:39:42.382+00:002011-11-01T10:39:42.382+00:00I meant is this the organization, is this the man ...I meant is this the organization, is this the man (f...g automatic corrector)Hervénoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-55527268020856944312011-11-01T10:38:21.188+00:002011-11-01T10:38:21.188+00:00Another issue: M. Pousson says in his comments tha...Another issue: M. Pousson says in his comments that Mr Campo has asked Mr Miller to skip DO vinos de Madrid from his reviews because this DO did not want to pay the fee. This is worth investigating.<br />Do the WA's interest depend on such fees paid to go-betweens? Is this for real? Is the the organization, is the the man who lectures bloggers on independence?Hervénoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-40279352679314185142011-10-31T22:00:53.348+00:002011-10-31T22:00:53.348+00:00Thanks Ken.
From the RP ethics doc:
'With re...Thanks Ken.<br /><br />From the RP ethics doc:<br /><br />'With respect to historic wine regions, The Wine Advocate and eRobertParker.com will continue to cover all of the independent writers’ reasonable travel expenses related to their reviews.'<br /><br />Assuming that Murcia qualifies as an historic wine region then Robert's dictum is clear.Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-21060429444076396692011-10-31T21:50:22.467+00:002011-10-31T21:50:22.467+00:00Doesn't Parker make enough money to send his p...Doesn't Parker make enough money to send his people on trips at the Advocate's expense? That would be the clean and ethical way of doing things.Ken Sternbergnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-18033941814646612192011-10-31T21:39:49.692+00:002011-10-31T21:39:49.692+00:00Luc. I should have guessed from the erudition it w...Luc. I should have guessed from the erudition it was you. Simplistic – toi!Jim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-33129598266252835472011-10-31T21:35:36.617+00:002011-10-31T21:35:36.617+00:00For some unknown reason, my name does not appear o...For some unknown reason, my name does not appear on previous post.<br />I do not make it an ego issue, but I have strong feelings against anonymous messages:<br />the name is Charlier, Luc Charlier. And I’m not shaken.Luc Charliernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-37763043974980838572011-10-31T21:35:28.300+00:002011-10-31T21:35:28.300+00:00Thanks URL. Always looking for the right shirt! Ji...Thanks URL. Always looking for the right shirt! JimJim's Loirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06696024920441263899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-456611623448834500.post-24208311622717183462011-10-31T21:32:32.613+00:002011-10-31T21:32:32.613+00:00Jim, I’m not sure we always share the same values....Jim, I’m not sure we always share the same values. There’s no need to, anyway.<br />I have the feeling you find me a little too straightforward, and simplistic, in a way.<br />Still, your blog gets more and more fascinating as time goes by. You ask all the right questions, and raise the true issues. <br />Stay alive !<br />Never forget capitalists only want one single thing: everything !<br />PS: with time, you my learn what a nice shirt looks like.URLnoreply@blogger.com